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| Posted on 2008-08-12 21:27:38 |
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tell me about your thoughts on mccain. |
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| Posted on 2008-08-14 20:07:20 |
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| Realphilip747 |
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why not just say Dale & Phil what do you think, cause obviously there are not any but us 2. By the way I'm not a right-winger, just traditional. |
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| Posted on 2008-08-14 22:52:29 |
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i didn't want anybody else to feel left out.
traditional right winger.
and if you're not a right winger then obviously this post wasn't directed to you so there wouldn't be a need to respond...sort of like Dale?Bac? same guy im' assuming.
good response though..... so how about the topic? yey or ney? just like him cuz he's not democrat or liberal or do you really get behind this guy? |
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| Posted on 2008-09-04 07:51:32 |
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I will not be voting for McCain, but for a more traditional conservative (although, I suppose you can say right-wing - I'm fine with that label), third party candidate.
As far as McCain, I think he's a much better pick over Obama (I have a lot of problems with him - I would have preferred Hillary!) and he's more appealing now that he's picked a more traditional conservative, Sarah Palin, as his running mate.
MY problems with McCain is that his votes in the senate are sometimes inconsistent with his supposed views and values. For example, he recently said that "[babies get human rights] at the moment of conception". I agree with this statement 100%, however, he's voted to federally fund embryonic stem cell research, which in my opinion shows he has low opinion of the value of these human rights, since he's willing to allow human life (as he claims it is) to be extinguished in order to perform experiments.
He also is responsible for the atrocious McCain-Feingold bill, that has done the exact opposite of what it was intended to do, that is, it has put more power to get elected in the hands of people who have more money.
He also tried to pass the McCain-Kennedy bill, a blatant attempt at amnesty for illegal aliens. Luckily, it did not pass the House of Reps.
So it is true that he has been willing to work with some of the most liberal people in the senate, however, that has been to the detriment of our country on several occasions.
All that said, he does have some things I like about him (I like his foreign and economic policies), but I still won't vote for him in the end. However, I do hope he beats Obama, if that's what it comes down to.
I actually thought Obama was going to walk all over McCain once those two became the major contenders, but it looks like that's not going to be the case. And even though Obama is still the darling of the major media, McCain has dealt some impressive blows to his candidacy.
It will be interesting to see what happens. I think it will be a close election, but if anything gives McCain a win in November, it will be his pick of Palin for VP. She appeals to traditional conservatives and those were the people who he needed to win over the most.
BTW, yeah, I think it's mostly me and Philip here that speak up for the right, but I don't really come in this forum to discuss this stuff much these days. I just don't have as much time for it anymore. |
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| Posted on 2008-09-04 17:14:08 |
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I was wondering if there was any US politics going on on the forum - thanks for your thoughts Bac, always interesting because you don't come across all that many US conservatives in Europe.
It's a shame the smaller (tiny?) candidates never get any coverage or votes - something like the French system would be more fun, with everyone casting their votes for a range of candidates, then having a second round with the top two candidates. At least you'd get some idea of the spread of opinions and ideas instead everything coming down to Republican or Democrat. The debate would be broader and possibly a little less personal, because let's face it, there's still some serious dirty mud-slinging to come. And that's what will swing the vote in a close election. |
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| Posted on 2008-09-04 20:45:53 |
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| Realphilip747 |
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Dale, not vote for McCain? If you don't then Obama will win, shudder. Palin is a great choice! Love her!!!!!!
She has me excited now, which before I was not. She is a strong conservative and I like everything about her. |
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| Posted on 2008-09-04 21:48:57 |
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| laaran |
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Can she have a child like Rachida Dati ?
Can we swap ? |
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| Posted on 2008-09-04 22:46:38 |
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| laaran |
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Philip is a bit like a man asking for a book in a german library in Paris.
"you don't have her biography ? Oh, but it was interesting, she was spy, and worked in secret services and blabla"
A female James Bond, exciting ?
Yes, there are naked men in such books. No photo, description of naked men.
We know that men get excited with pictures, and women with texts, this man was probably searching for a book for his wife.
Conclusion : Philip has a girlfriend :) |
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| Posted on 2008-09-05 12:30:09 |
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That's why you need a 2-round presidential election Philip. So you can vote for your first preference on the first round, then vote more pragmitically on the second round.
Of course the French experience in 2002 was to get a fascist in the second round, but at least the ugly ideologies got represented. Countries deserve the leaders they vote into office.
Pleased to know McCain's gamble on Palin has paid off with you, but it hasn't lured Bac, and won't it put off the middle ground swing voters? She's a better speaker than McCain at least. Only two months to go? |
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| Posted on 2008-09-05 17:03:24 |
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| Realphilip747 |
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Hi Karl,
I think Palin will pull it off with some Hilary supporters who are disgruntled and upset that she was not put on the ticket.
Palin is an articulate, strong independent woman, who is also nurturing as well. She appeals not only to conservatives, but to independents as well. I have 2 friends (1 guy, 1 girl) who were staunch Hilary supporters who have decided they do like Palin and could possibly vote for McCain-Palin ticket. All McCain needs is a percentage of those disgruntled Hilary voters and it could swing the election in his favor.
Palin appeals to republicans because she is
pro-life
nra member
christian
cuts taxes
drilling for oil
appeals to democrats because
union member
in favor of benefits in same-sex partnerships
to both parties because
will be an advocate for special needs children (physically or mentally challenged/disabled)
whistle blower on corrupt govt officials
athlete :-)
she's attractive |
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| Posted on 2008-09-05 18:51:31 |
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1.) to bac...is there someone you are voting for or are you sitting this one out?
2.) to philip...it's nice that you take her for her word on what she's for and against..but have a deeper look..starting here.
ST. PAUL, Minn. - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her Republican supporters held back little Wednesday as they issued dismissive attacks on Barack Obama and flattering praise on her credentials to be vice president. In some cases, the reproach and the praise stretched the truth.
Some examples:
PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending ... and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."
THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."
PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform — not even in the state senate."
THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.
PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."
THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.
Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.
He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.
MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply ... She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.
THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state — by population.
MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. ... She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.
THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.
FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."
THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.
FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right — change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington — throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."
THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate. |
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| Posted on 2008-09-05 18:53:16 |
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also the above was from AP via Yahoo news not we heart obama blogspot.
and before you retaliate with but obama this and that....not an obama supporter. |
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| Posted on 2008-09-05 19:10:54 |
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| Realphilip747 |
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ho hum, the ap isn't known for being exactly neutral in terms of reporting. Since the media is in the tank for Obama, they certainly couldn't find anything positive about Palin.
I could probably find a report refuting all the points that the ap put out. |
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| Posted on 2008-09-06 04:46:35 |
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| Small-Talker |
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| Since the media is in the tank for Obama, they certainly couldn't find anything positive about Palin. |
Was that a proper sentence/cohesive thought - or did you fall on your keyboard and accidentally post that? |
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| Posted on 2008-09-08 15:34:50 |
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| Realphilip747 |
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ah look who it is. . . back again with encouraging and flaterring words. Oh you have to love having him here, hahahahaha. |
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| Posted on 2008-09-08 19:44:43 |
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ho hum, the ap isn't known for being exactly neutral in terms of reporting. Since the media is in the tank for Obama, they certainly couldn't find anything positive about Palin.
I could probably find a report refuting all the points that the ap put out. |
that would've been a worthwhile reply instead of the t ypcial "liberal media" defense.
cuz a.) you would've had to deal with the "fabrications" or you would b.) have brought new light and either way we would all learn a little something more about pallin. |
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| Posted on 2008-09-08 21:34:53 |
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| laaran |
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This discussion just means one thing : nobody can say something interesting about McCain.
I will help. "Mac" is from the north of England, this person has scottish blood, scottish the people who, before hollywood, were placing ghosts in their castles.
I imagine the american army with McCain as president. Ghosts everywhere.. |
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| Posted on 2008-09-09 11:52:04 |
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Hi Philip
I'll have to skip the media bias bits, as well as the usual political bullshit people come with on both sides.
But I don't really see how ex-Hillary voters can go for Palin instead. Apart from being women, they seem on different ends of the political and cultural spectrum. Surely switching because of Palin is because they're not paying attention to policy. But of course I'll grant you elections are won on personality not on policy and she gives McCain some much need personality. It's a bit like the opposite of Biden giving Obama the policy and experience to balance Obama's personality.
You made me smile when describing Palin as "nurturing" - it's not a word that come to mind in her image as a hunter, driller and barracuda. Of course male politicians cannot be "nurturing", they're supposed to be tough commander in chiefs, ready to kick ass. No one's going to get elected on a "feed the world" or "save the polar bears" message, though I really don't see how "drill, drill, drill" can be appealling.
Roll on November so we can get this thing done and move on with life after Bush, one way or another. |
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| Posted on 2008-09-09 15:41:49 |
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| Realphilip747 |
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Nurturing when it comes to humans. Her being a mother and all.
In terms of being a hunter, well technically if you're not a vegeterian then we are all guilty of "hunting". Someone has to slaughter an animal to carve it up and sell to the markets and then we have to prepare the meat ebefore we eat it, so. . . . we are all guilty by association. That is if you believe it is wrong to hunt. For food purposes I have no qualms about it or for population control to an extent.
With drilling, we need oil and gas to keep this planet going until there are more technologies to convert wind, solar and other renwable energies on a large scale. So we are all apart of it.
Baracuda well I smile at that nickname.
Problem is women can't win with the emdia during this cycle. The media and the democrats have decided that Obama is the second coming, so they ripped Hilary to shreds and are trying to do so with Palin.
There are clear signs of bias al over the place. Contrast the US weekly covers. 1 week it is obama and his wife on the cover with the headline "How He Loves Her"
With Palin it was Babies, Lies and scandals.
Since when does an entertainment magazine get into politics?
With John Edwards the times couldnt ignore it and said well he is no longer a presidential candidate so we see no reason to delve into the personal lives of a private citizen. Low and behold Sarah Palin's 17 yr old daughter is pregnant. The NY Times devotes 3 front page stories to that. Bias? YES!!
Anyways peace out |
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| Posted on 2008-09-09 18:39:38 |
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Low and behold Sarah Palin's 17 yr old daughter is pregnant.
Ah, a rabbit, like Rachida Dati.
Why not start hunting ? Hunting the rabbits ? |
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| Posted on 2008-09-10 19:56:20 |
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US Weekly = Celeb news. not sure if you can really put them in the mix when you talk Media Bias. i mean us weekly & usa today might have similar sounding names but that's like saying Perezhilton.com and CNN.com are the same caliber reporting (although sometimes it does seem like it) |
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| Posted on 2008-09-11 15:53:44 |
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I made the point that it is supposed to be celebrity news. But then you see a celebrity news rag jump into the political game for one side so blatantly. It only proves my point that the news media is in the tank for the democrats.
like in my cousins college her english professor sometimes goes on tirades for the whole class about how rotten and evil george bush and christians are. What business does an english lit prof have brainwashing kids with hatred and anti-christian bias when they are supposed to be teaching english literature.
same with a celebrity rag, they have no business talking about politics and especially about someones kid, when no celebrity rag used to talk about Chelsea, but they sure followed the Bush twins around and I am sure they will follow around Palin's kids |
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| Posted on 2008-09-11 17:32:13 |
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| Palin is an articulate, strong independent woman, who is also nurturing as well. She appeals not only to conservatives, but to independents as well. I have 2 friends (1 guy, 1 girl) who were staunch Hilary supporters who have decided they do like Palin and could possibly vote for McCain-Palin ticket. |
Heya Philip.
You must hang around a different lot of Independents than I do (well obviously, but also rhetorically), most of my Independent friends were REALLY turned off by McCain's choice of Palin, being that for the most part they have moderate political leanings (as do the majority of Independents), and Palin is an extreme right-winger. I've also heard a fair amount of complaints from my female friends about the fact that they feel McCain chose a "Hockey Mom" running-mate purely because he thinks they're dumb enough to hop on board just because there's a woman in the ticket.
I tend to vote Democrat, but in the last election I would have absolutely voted McCain over Kerry, had that been an option. For some reason, the McCain we saw in the last election seemed a lot more genuine (and tolerable to me, frankly) than the McCain we've seen in this one. |
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| Posted on 2008-09-11 17:51:19 |
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Hi Groh,
I find it interesting that people (not you) would call Palin's views extreme. I would say half the country of even more are against abortion.
Not sure what percentage of that supports the other part of her stance on no abortion on rape and incest. She wouldn't impose these views on people, these are her personal views.
She isn't against abortion when the mother's life is in danger.
She is a Christian
She is a Hunter.
She is for drilling.
As governor she rescinded the ban that forbade benefits for same sex paartners. Would independednts and democrats find that extreme? I think they would find that favorable, perhaps why they never mention that fact.
The thing about censorsoring books is fake and a smear.
She was never a member of the alaska independence party.
So I can't seem to see where she can be called extremists other than if you disagree on the no abortion on rape and incest.
If we apply that to her as being extremist then shouldn't people who support no limits on abortion extremist? So Barack Obama is an extremists because he supports no restrictions on abortion and he even voted against saving the life of a baby on a botched abortion. (meaning if an abortion failed and then the baby was delivered alive it should be left to die rather than feeding or keeping it in an incubator) Thats beyond the pale really.
anyway who has your vote Groh, leaning towards obama or conflicted? |
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| Posted on 2008-09-11 23:22:30 |
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I made the point that it is supposed to be celebrity news. But then you see a celebrity news rag jump into the political game for one side so blatantly. It only proves my point that the news media is in the tank for the democrats.
like in my cousins college her english professor sometimes goes on tirades for the whole class about how rotten and evil george bush and christians are. What business does an english lit prof have brainwashing kids with hatred and anti-christian bias when they are supposed to be teaching english literature.
same with a celebrity rag, they have no business talking about politics and especially about someones kid, when no celebrity rag used to talk about Chelsea, but they sure followed the Bush twins around and I am sure they will follow around Palin's kids |
i had the same issue when i was taking some courses at the university....and agree with you on that bit, i didn't pay 2K to learn about the prof. feelings on current events instead of the coursework.
actually in todays atmosphere politicians get to a point where they are celebs and well us weekly talks about kids of celebs so may as well right? par for the course as they say. It's an atmosphere that consumers have created so now they've got to deal with it. |
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