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| Posted on 2009-01-02 00:28:51 |
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| Quetzal |
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well, no-one here to begins this post... hm, cardifans are not as serious as they were. but luckily i'm here to save the forum of this miss.
then many good thing for everyone for 2009.   |
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| Posted on 2009-01-02 09:01:22 |
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| Valeria13 |
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Thank you;) |
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| Posted on 2009-01-03 02:59:18 |
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| LORDHUMONGOUS |
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It's just a number. |
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| Posted on 2009-01-03 12:16:23 |
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| laaran |
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Ah no. It is more than that.
It is also the celebration of the cycle of the months. We start again the series of months.
That reminds us that the earth is turning around the sun, or that the sun is turning around the earth. And that we don't feel the earth turning, yet there is an acceleration at each moment. Rather a centrifugal effect.
We don't feel it, because the gravity is a much bigger acceleration (nearly 10000 times bigger) and our body can't detect a difference of 0,00001.
So, yes, we can celebrate that any day of the year. But usually, the beginning of the series if the 1st of january. |
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| Posted on 2009-01-05 00:57:21 |
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hm, laaran you got confusion in revoution earth acceleration, this acceleration around sun, is perfectly compensed by the sun gravity, in fact centrifugal force is an illusion. and there nothing to feel, caus earth is like a lienar "intertial" movement, and as said gallilé these kind of movement are "like" if nothing were happening.
earth with einstein move around sun on a right line, name geodesique, it seems to be a straight line, but it's straight line which turning ;o)
there's an other centrifugal force on earth which exist just by the earth's daily rotation. wich is what you were saying. but true if earth is not round because of this cenrifugal force, it do not means that people who lives in equator are in weighlessness.
see you, and happy good year laaran;) |
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| Posted on 2009-01-05 10:05:08 |
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Hum.
At least you agree with most of my teachers of physic.
Yet, I disagree. It seems there was a start of a discussion about that during Renaissance, but the one who proposed it was protestant (so bad in France), so his ideas were forgotten and now remain forgotten here.
Maybe we can meet one day in a not-catholic country (Sweden if the Cardigans decide to make another concert, and if I find some money ?), and speak more about it :) |
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| Posted on 2009-01-05 10:50:51 |
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Also, you are partly right. There is a mistake in my first text.
And that is all I can tell now........ |
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| Posted on 2009-01-06 22:18:17 |
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yeah, one day in sweeden for a cardigans gig, could be cool. ;o)
about who you were talking about, a protestant physician, but i think that many physician and fisrt galileo galilei get lot of problem with with catholics in his time. it was a bit hot for him, nej ? |
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| Posted on 2009-01-06 23:37:14 |
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Maybe.
Concerning science, it is difficult to tell.
Officially, the church was disliking Galileo's theory (but just disliking) and disliking much much the angry discussions about astronomy in several places in Europe (there were angry discussions between astronomers, and the printed books made if worst, some scientists even published insults in the middle of their arguments).
Either the church tried to punish an opinion, either it tried to punish an astronomer who was sometimes nasty.
Concerning the second possibility (which is really possible), we know that the church punished only Galileo, and no other astronomer. This was not fair, but that does not mean that the church was much scared of heliocentrism. |
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| Posted on 2009-01-09 20:26:31 |
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hm, gallieo was in fact to much certain of his theory, and was may be not that so wisdomed about catholic church realities. christians were not really open-minded than can be nowadays talibans in afghnistans.
galileo comes in the same time than inquisition, and tried to oppose them his logical theory against the true truth of tthe true religion.
yeap, tortured and comdamned to be burn for provocation against the true faith of god and church. he has finished lively burned, as giordano bruno an other philosopher-artonome few years before.
descartes, leibnitz, newton, berkeley where living few years after this comdamnation, and descartes used to say that he was enough wisdomed to want living peacefuly, i think that it's easy to understand why, and that why you can see in some part of "the cartesian method" that there's everywhere in this book, where it do not serve to anything at all in his system, execpt for one thing, to be abble to publish without to be threat by catholics church and french king. i think that it was the same for there philosopher who talk a lot of god, where it's not really the god of true church, just a philosophical concept.
true, the church was really scared about this theory because it was saying in fit that church was a lyer, and that god was a lyer too. galileo may be has died, but it's more the true-lies of all church wich have been get to hell with this death.
because if church and god can lies about "nature", what can be really true then, those abble to lies are for ever untrustable. |
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| Posted on 2009-01-09 21:10:24 |
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Euh.
Galileo has never been tortured. He was arrrested and questioned.
He was sentenced to go to one italian city, and not leave it. And stop publishing (or get the authorization of church for any text).
In this city, the climate was not that good for his health. He was allowed to move to another city.
And I think he was allowed to keep on private discussions (through mails) with his friends or other scientists.
Giordano Bruno was burnt, yes. He was repeating "the universe is infinite". Was he burnt only for that ?
I am not sure, the books of Epicure and Lucrece (telling the same thing) were not forbidden.
In fact, we see the christian church today.
It is boring, and nobody understands what they tell (if we try to get a bit more than moral lessons).
But when south americans accuse the church of all nasty things, we shall remember that they created 50 years ago other dissident churches, who also refuse contraceptions, and who also say "having many kids is great".
I add that because your name "Quetzal" reminds me of this point each time I read it. |
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| Posted on 2009-01-21 00:14:41 |
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church ever try to become stronger in population, it's just a military fact, and a good technic to kill any opposition who will forget that at the next génération christian with their lot of children will stranguled economicaly the other one to death.
but theres an other point interesting in this technic of surpopulation, a familly ever got a capacity of consomation, wich depend of the jobs of the parents. if they got many children, too many children, they can't educated them, or teach them, or give them the instruction which societies need to pass the cap of surviving. why, churches are living on lies, and philosophical tricks, then if these church want to live a long time on the shoulders of the population, it needs that there no possibilities to this population to get an acces to philosophical studies, because be there population could find of what polticaly, church are made, and how they have lied on many thing to préserve their own power on population. that why, churches promotes "many children, the more population got, the more they are poor, the less they can have instruction, then the more they can be exploitable for anything (slavery, "serf" = "servant", during the french middle-aged) |
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