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| Posted on 2009-02-06 10:21:56 |
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Many economical models, since 150 years, study production and the value of sold goods, sold to the final consumer.
But what is written everywhere in all our law ?
Property.
We own a lot.
In many west european country, in the USA, many families own.
This is property.
150 years ago, we were countries of workers, now the property is more important.
The economy is not in a deep crisis, it has rather changed.
Economists must introduce this "property" fact in their theories.
It creates no value, but it changes the attitude of humans. And we spend more time and energy to "keep" and protect our property, and this time and energy are not used for production. |
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| Posted on 2009-02-07 02:02:54 |
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| laaran |
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For example, these ones have production, and little property.
They can use the actual economical theories. |
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| Posted on 2009-02-07 08:29:55 |
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Not only do we waste much time in maintaining our properties the expense and rising costs prove that this lifestyle is unsustainable.
Huge tracts of land are being swallowed up by developers selling the suburban dream, and cities spread out using up valuable lands that would be better used for farms, parks, and natural preserves.
Experts who study the use of land, and the quality of life are beginning to create some discussion about how people should live in cities in the future.
Most agree that to make a city livable, it requires high density population in highrise apartments of upto 70 stories, and create automobile-free areas where pedestrians can walk to shop and work.
There must be an infrastructure for public transport (automated electric railways) and many public buildings, libraries, art galleries, music halls. |
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| Posted on 2009-02-07 12:10:26 |
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| laaran |
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Oh, arguments against high buildings too ? Easy.
The high levels, ok, it is cool, it is funny, we can see far away (also waiting for the elevators can be boring, in rich companies buildings, there are 10 or 20 elevators, but in poorer ones, it can be long). But there are many low levels, and from these levels, we see the low part of the other towers around. Not really pleasant.
And, from the high levels, we can not open the windows. Safery measures (+ there is climatisation, but they will probably slowly reduce that, at least in western Europe, it is such a waste).
And, from the high levels, we never have the smell of a tree, because the trees never reach the high levels. We can see trees far away, but that is all.
In fact, once more, here, companies need to sell new things. So they say "low-normal buildings are bad, we must build high ones". And we will destroy the low-normal buildings in order to create high ones, and consumers will pay and the economy will rise again.
We have low-normal buildings, it is like that, we have been building them for 50 years or more. Now we should learn living with that. We can make it better, everybody has ideas for that. For example, your last sentence proposes many things. |
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| Posted on 2009-02-08 10:13:45 |
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Yes, I enjoy my space, I have only lived in an apartment once. I prefer a house and a yard with trees. I would like to live on the fringe of the city where you have an almost country air, and can have quiet and light a bonfire and have parties and friends , not disturbing neighbours.
The Future Threatens!
Years ago there were warnings of the "Population Bomb" that resources would run short as we overpopulate the planet. We found ways to get more out of our resources and reduce waste. This continues.
In the Western world populations decrease because of materialism.
Why have more children if we want more cars, bigger houses , rising expenses. We can only have so much.
We may find ways to produce low cost eco-friendly prefabricated homes in our unused factories. There has to be some production, some industrial-base to fuel the economy. Or does China do it all for us?
We are creative. Possess many resources, technologies, and skilled workforce. There has to be culture to spend our leisure time.
The world has not been run efficiently.
There should not be starvation in the world.
Poverty, yes will continue.
No neeed for starvation, disease, and misery.
By 2020, I predict. |
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| Posted on 2009-02-08 13:00:50 |
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| laaran |
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In the Western world populations decrease because of materialism.
Hum.
It depends.
There are two forms of materialism : a rather new form of atheism (because the basic form "there is no God" is just boring, because it is just an opposition), and the taste for material objects.
Christians or muslims (or those who believe in a religion) have more children, but they don't want less materialist objects or less cars or less buildings. They spend as much as any others, and want well-paid jobs too, and go on holidays in expensive places and so on.
So, it is rather the second form.
But the word "materialism" don't describe it correctly. Some people go for holidays (it is really material ?), and meet their friends there (is it material ?), or place spare money in a bank accound (in case of ..., they don't always know what), or buy a flat and rent it (is it really materialist ? They don't care for what they buy, they just want to get a revenue from their capital).
It is just complicated..
There has to be some production, some industrial-base to fuel the economy.
It is old-fashion.
Our countries have changed.
We own much, and our economy is not adapted to this new condition.
We must first adapt our economical theories and economy.
Maybe Canada is different, I have no idea of the situation in Canada, but the situation in Europe (and eastern USA) is obvious. Each time we produce something new, we destroy something old, and it is waste. In Europe we must start having more respect for what we have, and dream less about what we can buy later.
For example, my laptop is 7 years old, and I really appreciate it - on the other hand, the prices for new ones are so low ; sometimes I think "why not buy a new one, it is cheap" - I don't think "I need it", I think "it is cheap and new".
We are annoyed with that idea, because property is by nature unfair.
We think "production process is the most important, and everybody has a chance in life to get a more important job, and to reach a higher position".
It is a way to get moral and equality in this world, and it is a nice thought.
Unfortunately, it leads us to too much waste (at least in western Europe and eastern USA), and we must respect more property. And try to introduce moral in private property ?
(for the rest of the world, hum, it is the rest of the world, so it deserves another thead..) |
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| Posted on 2009-02-09 19:54:56 |
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Babies are the weapons of choice of new colonialists?
Kosovo is a good recent example. there are many more under the radar. |
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| Posted on 2009-02-09 20:05:28 |
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| laaran |
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It was the strategy of Clinton.
Do you think that Obama, just because he is democrat, is sharing this strategy ? |
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| Posted on 2009-02-09 21:15:58 |
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It was the strategy of Clinton.
Do you think that Obama, just because he is democrat, is sharing this strategy ? |
he should be fighting this strategy if he doesn't want to contribute to the loss of the southwestern part of the country. |
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| Posted on 2009-02-09 23:07:38 |
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| laaran |
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The southwestern part, do you mean around Los Angeles ?
Are you talking about the politic of Bush these last years ? |
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| Posted on 2009-02-10 04:17:43 |
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The southwestern part, do you mean around Los Angeles ?
Are you talking about the politic of Bush these last years ? |
no i'm talking about the natural evolution of land conquest.
in other but somewhat related news:
http://www.google.com/hostedne...968B3F80 |
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| Posted on 2009-02-10 06:44:43 |
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Mishto is referring to the large and growing Hispanic/Latino community in the American Southwest.
He brings up an interesting subtopic of "natural evolution of land conquest".
How do you think things will change when the minority becomes the majority?
Laraan, it is a waste to discard a working laptop- there should be a trade-in allowance for purchase of same-brand computers.
Or donate to charity,school, Africa? |
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| Posted on 2009-02-10 10:10:53 |
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| laaran |
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I have read the article. That is a bit scaring.
You both live far away from this zone ?
For my laptop, I don't understand the logic of changing it.
My question is not "what will I do with the old one ?". It is "the just 7-years old one works really well, why should I change it ?".
If I want to donate, why should I donate an old computer, and not directly money (or, if I want to know what they do of the money, books or good programs) ? |
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