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http://www.billboard.com/artic...gans-28m |
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| Posted on 2013-04-18 07:23:19 |
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good news ! |
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| Posted on 2013-04-18 16:19:53 |
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That seems, now they can tour :P $__$ |
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| Posted on 2013-04-19 01:33:52 |
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I am really shocked at the behaviour of some involved in this case, ie. posting all their grievances on the internet. Apparently they have even posted details of personal company accounts, as well as making disparaging remarks. Whatever their beliefs, they have the right to lodge an appeal and let the law deal with it if they are dissatisfied with the result, not air their dirty laundry in public. It's a shoddy display. |
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| Posted on 2013-04-19 02:53:31 |
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Good on The Cardigans. Though it all seems more like typical convoluted record label bullshit to me, I'm glad The Cardigans might be able to recoup some of the money that was rightfully theirs in the first place.
From what I've been reading though, it seems like The Hives didn't do anything wrong - and that it was all about Tambourine Studio's shoddy/fraudulent book-keeping. I guess the little guys [the artists] would never win a lawsuit against the fat cats [record labels], so this was the band's only option.
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| I am really shocked at the behaviour of some involved in this case, ie. posting all their grievances on the internet. Apparently they have even posted details of personal company accounts, as well as making disparaging remarks. Whatever their beliefs, they have the right to lodge an appeal and let the law deal with it if they are dissatisfied with the result, not air their dirty laundry in public. It's a shoddy display. |
Who? What?
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| Posted on 2013-04-19 05:25:36 |
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| Kosinus |
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I think I found it (in Swedish):
http://tambourineskandalen.se/
I also found this fan tumblr:
http://hivescake.tumblr.com/ |
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| Posted on 2013-04-20 02:51:51 |
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^ Thanks for the links. As per usual, the Google translation is awful, but I get the jist of what's being said. It's fascinating reading, and if even half the stuff said there was true - I'm not gonna be able to look at The Cardigans the same way again. Overly-complex, completely bullshitty business practises that members of the band seemed to have instigated. Really, Nina? Your company Poporok AB slapped an 88% interest rate on one of these "loans"? |
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| Posted on 2013-04-20 03:48:03 |
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I wouldn't believe all you read. Hardly objective is it? And pretty shitty to publish that sort of stuff online before a judgement had even been reached. Couldn't that potentially influence jurors? |
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| Posted on 2013-04-20 20:32:38 |
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Posting this sort of information on a blog is totally inappropriate I think... if the case is still in the works.
The Hives also made some unpleasant remarks about The Cardigans in the media... |
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| Posted on 2013-04-21 08:25:07 |
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Looked like good news initially in a judgement favoring Cardigans.
However seeing this Hives-POV of course would be one-sided.
I doubt Hives have the ability to repay much debt from the looks of them today. Hives? Who cares? |
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| Posted on 2013-04-21 18:17:28 |
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Granted, a blog isn't the classiest way of going about your business. But I'm sure if any of you were sued for several million and you felt it was wrong, you wouldn't be obsessed with being very classy.
And most of the very detailed stuff is lifted directly from court papers. How can a person earn more from interest on loans rather than their principle amounts of money earned? Transferring money from Poporoks to Tambourine Studios and then back again, but on the way back some of it disappears as "loans" to various other things with a ridiculous amount of interest on those loans. It's either the worst case of poor book-keeping imaginable, or it's downright contractual fraud. There's no other way to put it.
And maybe The Hives resorted to making a blog about all of this because of the likes of Aftonbladet and Sydsvenskan's bias in reporting these issues?
But I realise I'm debating this on The Cardigans' forum. I'm unlikely to get any sort of balanced, neutral arguments back.
I'm not a fan of The Hives, btw. The only song of theirs I even remember is "Hate To Say I Told You So" - which I never liked. Thought I'd point that out. |
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| Posted on 2013-04-23 04:19:34 |
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Could someone please tell me what is going on with all of this? Google translator sucks as hell and I wonder what is up to Nina's incomes and what kind of company she owns. |
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| Posted on 2013-04-24 01:42:13 |
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I also want to know |
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| Posted on 2013-04-25 00:46:22 |
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I can't find much info on Poporoks AB online. I can't find any info on what they actually do - but Nina's listed here as a company director, as well as two other people who I assume are Nina's parents (both surnamed 'Persson', in their early/mid 60's). It's obviously a family affair.
That's a really interesting link, actually. If you click on Nina's name, you'll see a list of all the companies she's been involved with. You might also notice a few familiar names there too - and they're all involved with several different companies themselves. I had no idea Magnus' real name was Johan. |
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| Posted on 2013-04-25 01:13:31 |
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I think this sort of thing can get really complex and hard to navigate. And admittedly, it's hard for me to be totally objective since I like the Cardigans and don't care about the Hives one way or the other.
I do think that most of the problems stem from poor accounting/ poor communication on the part of Tambourine studios. (I could be wrong, but don't the Cardigans also have some ownership of Tambourine?)
However, from what I've read it sounds like the Hives simply borrowed more money than they could afford to pay back. They also seem to think the money wasn't a loan and apparently there's still some dispute about that. I'd wager that the Hives, like many people, simply didn't read the fine print or really pay attention to what they were actually doing. And the Cardigans, simply should have been much more careful about allowing their money to get loaned out that way it did.
It seems as though Tambourine was simply operating like a lot of banks did recently and allowed themselves to get way over leveraged -- in this case with one particular borrower.
Sucks that this happened with either band. It's kind of a nasty ordeal. I won't b surprised if the Cardigans never comment on it, but ya never know... |
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| Posted on 2013-04-25 01:27:52 |
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hey small-talker, thats very interesting, thanks for sharing |
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| Posted on 2013-04-26 13:35:47 |
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We will never know exactly what happened, but the fact remains that if you have someone else's money, you have to pay it back, even if it's a result of carelessness rather than deliberate greed (as it probably is). I can understand it from both perspectives, I agree small-talker that The Hives are obviously pissed off about this and resorting to more volatile tactics such as blogging publically to assert their claim, but then The Cardigans surely have just as big a reason to be angry as it's their hard-earned cash they're fighting to get back! They all have families to support, it's hardly a small amount of money. I'd be suing for that money regardless of the finer details, no one is going to write off that amount of money.
I think blogging about it all is shitty. Understandable, perhaps, but shitty. The sole reason is to influence public opinion (and possibly even juror opinion) in their favour, it's hardly going to help their case and could possibly actually go against them. It's just spite, isn't it? |
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| Posted on 2013-04-27 03:49:27 |
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Probably. The simple fact is, that no-one outside of Tambourine Studios will ever really know what any of this is really about. It all seems like a really sad situation that both bands have gotten themselves trapped in to.
Whatever way you look at it, both The Hives and The Cardigans have gotten themselves into a hell of a lot of debt because of Tambourine Studios' BS. I hope they can both get their money from the people that genuinely took it - and that neither of the bands end up owing the other a couple hundred thousand . |
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| Posted on 2013-05-02 04:50:35 |
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Yeah, it's funny that if Tambourine is so squarely at the center of all this, shouldn't the Cardigans have been suing Tambourine?
But, yeah, I doubt we'll ever know the full story... |
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| Posted on 2013-08-05 12:43:02 |
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There were several other artists involved as well, but they made settlements with Tambourine before all this exploded. |
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| Posted on 2013-09-17 15:34:19 |
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Hi all!
We in the band have decided not to go out publicly about our feelings on the case. Not like The Hives did in their blog.
We won the first case and itīs now up the next level of court if weīll go another round or not. But yes itīs a sad situation for many people.
Take care
Mags and the band |
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| Posted on 2013-09-25 03:40:15 |
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Hi all!
We in the band have decided not to go out publicly about our feelings on the case. Not like The Hives did in their blog.
We won the first case and itīs now up the next level of court if weīll go another round or not. But yes itīs a sad situation for many people.
Take care
Mags and the band |
Thanks for sharing a word on this, Magnus. Hope you guys are successful on the next round. And maybe someday in the future all parties will be on good terms with each other again... |
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