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Posted on 2006-07-29 06:35:25
Realphilip747
mishto why not just move out of the states if you hate america and americans so much, seriously it is getting out of hand

but why bring up other people, arent we talking about landis? one has nothing to do with the other
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Posted on 2006-07-29 15:41:24
LORDHUMONGOUS
[quote=Realphilip747]if it were not an american, then the rider wouldnt be scrutinized a smuch, but im sure the french are still seeting over the last 8 years of not having a french winner.
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Given the french/american relationship in the tour, especially Lemond/Hinault, Lemond/Fignon and Lance's eight wins, I can't help but agree with you, somewhat.
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Posted on 2006-07-30 22:15:01
Mishto
Realphilip747 wrote:
mishto why not just move out of the states if you hate america and americans so much, seriously it is getting out of hand

but why bring up other people, arent we talking about landis? one has nothing to do with the other



ok... what the sheeit are you talking about? other than you and landis who are both relevant to what we're saying..nobody was brought up. I brought up landis and his piss...you brought up AMERICANS are Victims.

I don't hate america....i find it extremely annoying....even moreso after i leave the country for a bit and come back. But you know why bring up my views on america we're talking about LANDIS.....LANDIS PISS......DRUGS...>CHEATING.....america and being american are just coinkydinks in the discussion. You on hte other hand couldn't just take the news for what it was worth and brought up oh look at mishto hatin on the americas again.....instead of just continuing down the path of Landis....landis piss....drugs....cheating. If you're going to get your panties in a twist everytime somebody makes a comment about american and take it as an attack....maybe you should seek some self-help/control literature? just sayin.
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Posted on 2006-08-01 22:47:54
DeanMoriarty
"if it were not an american, then the rider wouldnt be scrutinized a smuch"

This is simply not true. Cycling as a sport in general doesn't care about what nationality you are, if you're caught doping then you're out and your stripped of the whatever you won by CHEATING!

-Roberto Herras (Spainsh) banned and stripped of his Vuelta title)
-David Millar (British) banned and stripped of his world time trial champion title)
-Jan Ulrich (German), Ivan Basso (Italian), Oscar Sevillia (Spanish) and about 30 other riders of different nationalities where implicated in those Spanish investigations and where asked not to ride the Tour De France (as per the code of ethics in Cycling)


I was at the tour for the last week, those three alpine mountain stages, the time trial and Paris. I enjoyed myself very much (took my own bike along and rode some of those hills), was cheering Sastre and Perrerio (wanted a European to win it) at the time I thought fair enough Landis was the better guy.

So the thing I was following and cheering turned out to BE BIG FAT LIE.

Cycling is doing its best to stamp out the cheaters and it's all very visable and makes the sport look bad (at the moment) but the very fact that its taking a hard line and declaring and exposing the cheats and testing them non stop, is a testiment to it and a few years down the line Cyclist will stop using drugs because the risk will become too high.

Lance Armstrong was, and is the most regularly tested athlete in the world, across all sports. Some sports are very slack with drug testing and let their athletes get away with it, does this mean none of those athletes are taking performance enhancing drugs?
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Posted on 2006-08-02 05:55:54
LORDHUMONGOUS
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Good point, look at Sosa, McGwire, Canseco, Bonds and Palmero. Getting back to Landis, the odds are against him. It's not looking so good for him. If he did it, I wish he would just own up and be a man and admit it. At least David Millar fessed up when he was caught. Floyd is the big attraction in an upcoming criterium race in the chicago land area. I wonder if he'll show up.
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