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Posted on 2006-07-19 18:51:45
chrismail
Does anybody have the Nina Persson performance to download?

:)
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Posted on 2006-07-19 19:23:13
Biko
Which song did she play there? The Led Zeppelin cover?
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Posted on 2006-07-19 19:36:18
Bac
She sang "Whole Lotta Love".
There's a link to it in older thread somewhere.
You can download it, but I don't think it's ok to ask about it here. Or maybe that's just "official" audio recordings (mp3s, etc.) not sure...
Anyway, it is out there...
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Posted on 2006-07-20 14:12:05
chrismail
It is not a recorded track, so it's not illegal or anything. Just an performance I would love to have on my computer :)
I was hoping somebody had a link to download it or something :/
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Posted on 2006-07-20 22:07:10
Bac
chrismail wrote:
It is not a recorded track, so it's not illegal or anything. Just an performance I would love to have on my computer :)
I was hoping somebody had a link to download it or something :/


More than likely, no one would care (esp. since it's only .wmv quality), but you never know these days now that YouTube.com is getting sued and so forth...
Cause technically, someone usually owns the rights to the video.
It's sort of a grey area...
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Posted on 2006-07-21 01:57:31
Small-Talker
Bac wrote:
now that YouTube.com is getting sued and so forth...

They're getting sued by some amateur photographer and a helicopter pilot. If the big companies thought they had a chance, they would've put a stop to V.Google before it even started up. If YouTube went, then Google Video would have to go - and none of the record labels that have made millions from selling their music videos there would like that very much. Plus, YouTube is protected by the DMCA Act of 1998, so they can't be touched.

And I'm converting my SWF of this performance to AVI right now. I'll post it later ... because my view is: if broadcasters don't want live performances shared online, they shouldn't have broadcasted the performances in the first place. Or they should at least make their intentions of releasing the performance on DVD clear from day one.
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Posted on 2006-07-22 06:28:10
Bac
Small-Talker wrote:
Bac wrote:
now that YouTube.com is getting sued and so forth...

They're getting sued by some amateur photographer and a helicopter pilot. If the big companies thought they had a chance, they would've put a stop to V.Google before it even started up. If YouTube went, then Google Video would have to go - and none of the record labels that have made millions from selling their music videos there would like that very much. Plus, YouTube is protected by the DMCA Act of 1998, so they can't be touched.

And I'm converting my SWF of this performance to AVI right now. I'll post it later ... because my view is: if broadcasters don't want live performances shared online, they shouldn't have broadcasted the performances in the first place. Or they should at least make their intentions of releasing the performance on DVD clear from day one.


I doubt that the lawsuit(s) are going to put any of them out of business. But it may very well scare them into screening what goes on their site a little better.

I imagine it's very similar to the audio biz in that companies will happily support YouTube or Google Video provided they (the companies that own the footage) make money. Sorta like the difference between Napster (as it was originally) and ITunes. One the music business likes much more than the other.

I somewhat agree that TV performances are much more of a grey area since in most cases there's never any intention to sell the footage to the public or anyone, but technically they can still say they own the material. But yes, usually the idea is they make money once or maybe a few times from re-runs. Normally you can't buy these things at your local Best Buy.

I'll do trades of my Cardigans video collection as long as I'm sure it's not taking anything out of the band's or record company's pocket. So, I may give someone a copy of the band performing MFG on Donnie and Marie for another Cardigans performance that I can't buy at a store - but I don't want to profit a single penny off their back.

It is interesting, though, what the TV industry will turn a blind eye to. They have these things called Video Monitoring Services (VMS) all over the U.S. All they do is record news programs and turn around and sell the segments people who didn't manage to record themselves! And they do make some serious money.

So... I'm not sure that many of them care all that much. I guess because they make all the money from advertisers when they broadcast it. Whereas the music industry is much more dependent on individual buyers at a record store.
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Posted on 2006-07-22 09:46:59
-berlin-
i really wonder why things like that vms aren't used much more. i think it's quite stupid of tv or radio stations to neglect this branch of money making.

an example: there's a radio station here (radio eins) that airs their own recordings of live shows in and around berlin quite regurlarly. sometimes, when there's a festival, they may even air the whole thing live. i imagine it must cost them quite a bit to ask the venues and artists for permission, then bring all their recording devices there and sometimes do an interview with the artist as well - only to broadcast this thing once or twice over the radio.

last stummer i went to a concert of an artist i really admired and found out only there that this radio station was airing the whole thing live. so i requested a recording afterwards, i told them i'd pay for it if only they could send me a cd or mp3 with the recording. it took 6 mails until someone finally replied - they told me they didn't give out such recordings.
so what happened was that i asked a friend to rip the recording from internet radio when they aired the show again some months later. the radio station didn't get any money from me, though i would have loved to support them. but they simply didn't care.

plus i know a record store where they sell 'fan-made' cds of recordings of exactly that station. a friend of mine bought a recording og beth gibbons live in berlin there. that cd - like mayn others - does look quality, and it costs around 10 euro, but yet you can see it's are not official.

i think it's stupid of radio eins t neglect this as i think many people would like to buy official released recordings, i think in this case (international bands on regional radio, and in a decent quality - and i don't mean just technically good) there might even be people who might collect them!
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Posted on 2006-07-22 11:31:24
Emilianino
Berlin dear Berlin...
would you be my solicitor? :)

I know is not your study "area" but... I just feel you know quite well how to defend you and somebody, without being nasty and keeping self control :D
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Posted on 2006-07-22 21:44:27
Bac
-berlin- wrote:
i really wonder why things like that vms aren't used much more. i think it's quite stupid of tv or radio stations to neglect this branch of money making.

...

i think it's stupid of radio eins t neglect this as i think many people would like to buy official released recordings, i think in this case (international bands on regional radio, and in a decent quality - and i don't mean just technically good) there might even be people who might collect them!


Yeah, I agree that it's a bit surprising in a way, but on the other hand, I guess it's because when broadcasting began back in the 40's there were no VCRs for the average consumer, so the only they had to make money on was the advertising.

By the late 70's it was different, but they didn't really change their ways. Well, obviously some things get sold now, like episodes of Lost or the Simpsons on DVD and VHS, for example. But you can't buy the 9am news at any DVD store or every game show that's ever aired. Only certain things.

But stations do have the extra problem of space and actually managing all that stuff. If news shows tried to sell every bit of footage they had in stores, they'd probably go out of business pretty quick.
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Posted on 2006-07-23 02:03:16
-berlin-
^you're very right about that storage problem, and it might also be difficult to make a decent market analysis of what poeple would acutally buy, but they could still make it via internet, and on demand.
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Posted on 2006-08-12 17:05:32
Bac
Actually, y'know, I'm not sure what I was thinking...
It doesn't matter with this performance because the entire freakin' show was posted for download on the TV4's site.
So, ok, here's a link to just the Nina/Soundtrack of... performance.
Sorry for the low-quality, but it was low to start with and I had to squeeze it down more to put on rapidshare.
Enjoy.
http://rapidshare.de/files/291...mov.html
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Posted on 2006-08-12 19:11:34
-berlin-
that so cool bac, but the download doesn't seem to work for me...don't know why, i should try again later...
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Posted on 2006-08-12 19:34:17
vilmari
thanks a lot Bac! ,this feels like an early christmas present because I couldn't get the wmv stream work with my mac so I couldn't watch it with my own computer. But now I can, thanks!
And the download worked well for me, so don't know what the problem was, but hopefully it's now ok.
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Posted on 2006-08-12 21:33:46
Bac
annika:
Did you scroll down and select "free" download? You then have to wait a minute or two for the Download to start.

vilmari:
No prob! I have Mac G5 and I used MPEG Streamclip (a great free program) to trim and convert the wmv to mov. Glad it works,man!
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Posted on 2006-08-12 22:36:54
Ranchtooth
alright. dale uses a mac!
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Posted on 2006-08-12 22:38:30
Ranchtooth
oh and thanks a bunch for the link!
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Posted on 2006-08-12 22:41:43
miguel88
Thanx for the link Bac! Downloading right now ;)
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Posted on 2006-08-13 01:04:21
Bac
You are most welcome, mi amigos!
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Posted on 2006-08-13 15:17:34
-berlin-
Bac wrote:
annika:
Did you scroll down and select "free" download? You then have to wait a minute or two for the Download to start.



uh, my german is so bad these days ;-)
no honestly, i think its because my computer's fucked up. but nevermind bac, i'm sure i'll find someone who can send it to me directly.. don't worry...
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Posted on 2006-08-14 01:07:11
Bac
Hey annika,
I'm uploading the video to my myspace site. It'll be an MP4 file, so hopefully you can play that.
So, look in my "videos" on my site.
As soon as I have a direct link, I'll post it here. Right now, the server is too busy so I can't upload it just yet.
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Posted on 2006-08-14 11:06:14
xRiotPixiex
Jessica
Thanks! It's one of the best covers I've ever heard :-)
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Posted on 2006-08-14 23:19:51
Bac
Hey,
I tried uploading it to myspace several times, but kept crashing... they have a slow site...
I'll try later and eventually post the link here.
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Posted on 2006-08-16 15:31:57
Pillan1
You can also find it on this site:
http://www.tv4.se/player/categ...yTreeId=

Very nice cover indeed!
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Posted on 2006-08-16 15:37:28
Pillan1
Oh, i forgot to say that the clip is about 25 minutes in the show...
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