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Posted on 2006-07-19 21:11:08
archdukefranz
I assume Nina wrote this?
Is this like "Imagine" by John Lennon?

Just wondering what perspective she is coming from and possibly of what faith or lack there of she holds?
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Posted on 2006-07-20 22:15:08
Bac
Apparently, my original interpretation was well off the mark.
But, I guess this quote from Magnus sums it up well:

I guess "Godspell" is the first political song in our career. Nina wrote the lyrics about a big scandal within a Swedish sect-like church where the priest was fooling around a lot and then had his mistress kill his wife or something like that. Hence the "it's not murder, it's an act of faith" line at the end. But basically it's about people who willingly give up their own speech to authorities. Priests or politicians, men in power are all the same. - from "The Event Guide, Ireland"
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Posted on 2006-07-21 11:47:09
archdukefranz
Ah... that makes sense... what about the line
"You can feel the earth shake when they start to dance"

everything seems else just fits in nicely for me...
that doesn't sit entirely well...
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Posted on 2006-07-22 05:59:55
Bac
Hmmm... not sure... maybe that line is about the power or attraction of the group?
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Posted on 2006-07-23 17:23:19
archdukefranz
Bac wrote:
Hmmm... not sure... maybe that line is about the power or attraction of the group?


Perhaps... I was thinking along those lines... but why choose dance?
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Posted on 2006-07-23 17:27:27
Posthuman
'cause they are happy/self assure in their own "little worlds"..?
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Posted on 2006-07-23 17:29:51
archdukefranz
Posthuman wrote:
'cause they are happy/self assure in their own "little worlds"..?


ok... but that still leaves the question why use dance..?
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Posted on 2006-07-23 17:35:40
Posthuman
?
People dance when they are happy(?)
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Posted on 2006-07-23 17:51:24
archdukefranz
Posthuman wrote:
?
People dance when they are happy(?)


so when they get happy... they shake the world?
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Posted on 2006-07-23 18:00:22
Posthuman
Yes. :)
They probably sing their ideas (each their own) along.. "You can tell by the way they move you"..
So,they have (or try to have) an influence on us.
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Posted on 2006-07-23 18:05:23
archdukefranz
Posthuman wrote:
Yes. :)
They probably sing their ideas (each their own) along.. "You can tell by the way they move you"..
So,they have (or try to have) an influence on us.


well wouldn't it be worrying such a massive group of people didn't have an influence on us?
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Posted on 2006-07-23 18:21:36
Posthuman
Huh? You want them to have an influence on you? Or what?
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Posted on 2006-07-23 19:29:57
archdukefranz
Posthuman wrote:
Huh? You want them to have an influence on you? Or what?


well there is a massive amount of people who are christians....
they will have an influence on people...
large groups of people shouldn't be ignored....
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Posted on 2006-07-23 19:54:14
Posthuman
So as individuals.
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Posted on 2006-07-23 21:13:31
archdukefranz
Posthuman wrote:
So as individuals.


are all groups not individuals en masse?
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Posted on 2006-07-23 21:54:16
Posthuman
In mass/group,you are treated as a whole,you think as one,you are not allowed to have different opinion (even if they all say you can think what you want,but,"Oh,look miracle,we all think the same!!")
So,individua,in full sense,in a crowd,where all think the same,you are not one.
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Posted on 2006-07-24 03:43:02
Small-Talker
Dancing is a subject that appears often on Super Extra Gravity - and I've come to think that it's a metaphore for something a lot more than merely "dancing".

Godspell and Holy Love - when looked at through all the "dancing" references - seem like the beginning and the ending of a certain struggle that the person who Nina is referring to went through. And then take the more obvious "religion" (and pagan) theme(s) going through both those songs and several songs on Long Gone (the "four-leaved clovers" in Feathers And Down, etc.), it all leads me to believe that there is a hidden Diptych running through those albums.

I've still to work through all of the metaphores though. Under the advice of Berlin, I looked at Gran Turismo more closely and tried to work out whether it was a possible Triptych - but the lyrics weren't developed enough by that stage.

One of these days, I'll finish this and make a whole website around it. I've gone through 14 of the 22 songs, and I still feel like there's a lot more to do. 14 A4 pages (front and back) thus far. It has its own little section at the back of one of my study notepads - I write in it when bored off my face in college. So thank you for keeping my brain occupied Nina.
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Posted on 2006-07-24 10:10:55
-berlin-
^the diptych is coming alive again! in the words of godspell: Hallelujah!
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Posted on 2006-07-24 12:02:52
Posthuman
Yes,I'm sure it's not only dancing.It's a metaphore.For relationship.Like in "Little black cloud"
"The music wants me tonight..what time will you let me down.."
Music - love
When you think about it,it's so obvious.
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Posted on 2006-07-24 15:32:11
archdukefranz
-berlin- wrote:
^the diptych is coming alive again! in the words of godspell: Hallelujah!


whats a diptych.. I wikied it and I am none the wiser
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Posted on 2006-07-24 19:08:36
-berlin-
same happened to me...it means that the two albums are somewhat connected and related to each other!

btw, my thoughts on: you can feel the earth shake when they start to dance
people do not only dance because they are at a party, happy. dancing is also a sort of ritual in many natural religions. and it is a way of letting individuals move with the masses - if everybody danced in the same way (like a choreography), you'll attract attention if you don_t.
plus you need a choreography to make the earth shake . f.e.: you can have thousands of people in a stadium cheering or a thousand people in a club dancing. but when they jump in synch, the floor might brake because it is put under harmonic oscillation. architects actually have to test this because it's a risk in places where a lot of people come together.

i know this might not have much to do with the original tention of the lyrics, maybe a bit far-fetched, but it's just what came to my mind when i read this discussion.
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Posted on 2006-07-26 17:23:01
archdukefranz
-berlin- wrote:
same happened to me...it means that the two albums are somewhat connected and related to each other!

btw, my thoughts on: you can feel the earth shake when they start to dance
people do not only dance because they are at a party, happy. dancing is also a sort of ritual in many natural religions. and it is a way of letting individuals move with the masses - if everybody danced in the same way (like a choreography), you'll attract attention if you don_t.
plus you need a choreography to make the earth shake . f.e.: you can have thousands of people in a stadium cheering or a thousand people in a club dancing. but when they jump in synch, the floor might brake because it is put under harmonic oscillation. architects actually have to test this because it's a risk in places where a lot of people come together.

i know this might not have much to do with the original tention of the lyrics, maybe a bit far-fetched, but it's just what came to my mind when i read this discussion.


kinda cool to delve into it
you seem well up to the task too

Natural religions? You mean nature worshipping religions?
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Posted on 2006-07-26 20:54:33
-berlin-
^exactly!
 
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