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| Posted on 2006-08-31 07:33:38 |
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Wow...
It's been awhile since I graduated from high school and there were some crazy things that happened at my old school, but I don't think anyone was ever stabbed because of the music they listened to! Very sad story.
A teenager who was stabbed in the eye during her school lunch break said a "gang mentality" singled out pupils for their music and fashion tastes.
The 15-year-old, who cannot be named for legal reasons, narrowly escaped losing her sight in the attack last November.
She had been the victim of a string of attacks, threats and had even received prank calls at home because she is what is known as "a metaler", Guildford Crown Court heard today.
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Click here for the full article. |
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| Posted on 2006-08-31 11:04:42 |
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So what music do you have to like to be able to fit in...? Nasty kids... |
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| Posted on 2006-08-31 12:24:58 |
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okay, that´s cruel.. I thought that teenagers want to be different from everybody else. |
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| Posted on 2006-08-31 16:56:32 |
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Kids thought you were weird if you didn't listen to AC/DC at my school.
Other favorites: Nirvana, Lynyrd Skynard, Foghat, Metallica
And if you were male and liked females singers, you were automatically gay. But my school was a little weird - ok, weird is an understatement.
At least nobody got stabbed in the eye. |
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| Posted on 2006-08-31 19:55:36 |
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People usually weren't singled out over music at my school... maybe some over how one dressed.
But I'm 29 now and I remember that kids at that age could be downright malicious and even dangerous (as in this case).
It seems that some teens want to be different, but they want everyone else to be different in the same way they're different. :-P |
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| Posted on 2006-08-31 22:09:29 |
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The only thing I'd like to bring attention to here is the sheer stupidity of the statement that AC/DC were "metal". They were just your typical 70's rock band until Bon died, and they became strictly pop/rock thereafter.
This is the type of petty crap that happens when kids are allowed to listen to hip-hop. At least the "Marilyn Manson-influenced" Columbine happened with a reason attached. |
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| Posted on 2006-09-01 00:37:35 |
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Here we go again with the Marilyn Manson, fair enough if you think he's a saint, just dont force feed it down our necks.
I'll tell you what he is..he's a fucking company man, and dont you forget it. |
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| Posted on 2006-09-01 04:36:57 |
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^ Yes ALL "artists" signed to a label are company men.
But at least they ARE signed, eh?
What is a high-school bully but a Problem Child...(AC/DC song):
What I want I take
What I don't I break
And I don't want you
Flick of my knife
And I can change your life
There's nothing you can do
I'm a problem child, problem child
I'm a problem child, runnin' wild |
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| Posted on 2006-09-01 19:38:13 |
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So this does not bare any relation to Columbine, Vrak?
And I don't get why Manson having control over his own career is a bad thing. You rather that artists allow their record label make all of the decisions? "Ooooh, he's a business man!" Yes, he knows what he wants to do, and he makes damn good albums too. |
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| Posted on 2006-09-01 20:04:08 |
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The only thing I'd like to bring attention to here is the sheer stupidity of the statement that AC/DC were "metal". They were just your typical 70's rock band until Bon died, and they became strictly pop/rock thereafter.
This is the type of petty crap that happens when kids are allowed to listen to hip-hop. At least the "Marilyn Manson-influenced" Columbine happened with a reason attached. |
I've often been surprised at what gets labeled as "metal", "hard rock" or anything else for that matter. It seems that some people use some of those labels pretty liberally, but I guess the definition of "heavy metal" or "metal" has changed over the years, though. Don't you think?
I'm sure AC/DC was once considered more "metal" at one point than the way people see them today. Black Sabbath and Zeppelin were considered metal at one point in time (although clearly many of their songs aren't very "metal").
The first time the words "heavy metal" were used in reference to an rock artist was in an article about Jimi Hendrix, in which the author described Hendrix's music as sounding like "heavy metal falling from the sky".
And then Steppenwolf was called "heavy metal" by someone and I guess that's where the term really got started. But they're no heavier than AC/DC as far as I can tell.
And let's not forget that notorious moment win Jethro Tull won a grammy for Best Heavy Metal album of the year. (Although, some of their stuff does have some metal influence in it.)
So perhaps you could describe AC/DC as "metal", but whatever they are - it's no reason to stab someone over it. |
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| Posted on 2006-09-08 16:04:35 |
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So this does not bare any relation to Columbine, Vrak?
And I don't get why Manson having control over his own career is a bad thing. You rather that artists allow their record label make all of the decisions? "Ooooh, he's a business man!" Yes, he knows what he wants to do, and he makes damn good albums too. |
he makes albums anyways. |
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| Posted on 2006-09-08 16:08:07 |
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The only thing I'd like to bring attention to here is the sheer stupidity of the statement that AC/DC were "metal". They were just your typical 70's rock band until Bon died, and they became strictly pop/rock thereafter.
This is the type of petty crap that happens when kids are allowed to listen to hip-hop. At least the "Marilyn Manson-influenced" Columbine happened with a reason attached. |
and there's no difference between petty hip hop crap of singling out kids due to fashion and music and what the columbine kids did.........except the columbine kids had firepower and a bit more pre-planning. But they singled out people different from them just on a different scale. Funny how the oppressed seek to oppress others if given the opportunity to do so.
your statment makes you out to be a moron. FYI. |
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| Posted on 2006-09-09 04:34:56 |
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| and there's no difference between petty hip hop crap of singling out kids due to fashion and music and what the columbine kids did.........except the columbine kids had firepower and a bit more pre-planning. But they singled out people different from them just on a different scale. Funny how the oppressed seek to oppress others if given the opportunity to do so. |
There was a major difference. They were two kids who were getting the shit kicked out of them every day until they found refuge within each others misery and decided to do something about it. It had nothing to do with what music they listened to or what culture they thought they belonged to. What Klebold and Harris did was horrific, but don’t think for a second that they were just two dumb kids who bought a shitload of guns from Wal-Mart and decided to kill people indiscriminately. All of the evidence points towards them initially hunting down people who had bullied them in the past - they only started shooting indiscriminately later on when everyone else started panicking and running directly into their line of fire. That doesn't excuse what they did, but if one of those people did die that day, I can't really say that I feel too sorry for them. A part of me thinks that if Klebold and Harris didn't have to deal with such huge arseholes every single day, they wouldn't have felt the need to do something as huge as what they did. They must have been picked on pretty badly.
Of course, with the journalists parked outside the school wanting to boost their own career and get more ratings for their network (which apparently demanded interviews from hysterical 14 year old girls as they ran blood-stained and crying from the building) most of the simple, everyday things that caused Columbine were forgotten and rock stars like Marilyn Manson and KMFDM were blamed instead. And if I’m not mistaken, this was also the time when all of those senate hearings about the “Doom” video games were taking place. I suppose it’s easier for the American congress to take on rock stars or videogame manufacturers than it is to take on organisations like the National Rifle Association … or even Wal-Mart.
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| your statment makes you out to be a moron. FYI. |
I have no reason to respond to that. It's just one hell of a juvenile insult tacked on to the end of your post to try and garner a response from me. I don't think I'm a moron, and I also don't really give a flying shite about what you think of me. So goodbye. |
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| Posted on 2006-09-10 00:08:01 |
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| and there's no difference between petty hip hop crap of singling out kids due to fashion and music and what the columbine kids did.........except the columbine kids had firepower and a bit more pre-planning. But they singled out people different from them just on a different scale. Funny how the oppressed seek to oppress others if given the opportunity to do so. |
There was a major difference. They were two kids who were getting the shit kicked out of them every day until they found refuge within each others misery and decided to do something about it. It had nothing to do with what music they listened to or what culture they thought they belonged to. What Klebold and Harris did was horrific, but don’t think for a second that they were just two dumb kids who bought a shitload of gun... |
Well, I think it's true that there is evidence that they were picked on by "jocks" and the like. And it pains me deeply to say this, but a lot of public schools here in America are very bad about ignoring what some kids go through. And they are terrible when it comes to exerting any kind of serious discipline when it comes deaking with bullies. There are several reasons for this, which is really another subject altogether.
That said, there's still no excuse for what they did, as everyone here seems to agree. Frankly, I'm not totally sure if there is any ultimate catalyst for what they did. I'm sure it was a combination of things.
They did, however, single out people who believed in God and not just people that bullied them. For instance, and it's been awhile, but as I recall some of the people they killed at point blank range were people they didn't even know. So they weren't just after people that picked on them.
They also were into the movie Natural Born Killers and other things besides Manson and so on. So while it's not fair to single out only Marilyn Manson or a game like Doom. I think that people are influenced by whatever diet of society, media, and culture they're on. When I was younger and a bit more naive I used to believe that people (at least myself) were above being sucked in by whatever we were seeing or hearing, but really that's so clearly false it's sad that I ever thought that. All one has to do is look back at history and see this is the case.
It's like advertising. They wouldn't do it if it didn't work. And it's clear all of us at some time or another are swayed by it.
So there has to at least be a balance to these things. Cause I'm sure that if I were locked in a cabin somewhere and forced to listen to nothing but the gangster rap, I'm sure it would effect my thoughts. On the other hand, if I had at least some positive music, media or people around to counter it, then it would help to keep me from going totally bonkers.  |
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| Posted on 2006-09-17 08:27:26 |
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I was just watching an ABC News report on that shooting in a Canadian university a few minutes ago ... and surprise, surprise ... it looks like people are trying to blame this one on "violent entertainment" again. This time, it's a whole bunch of online video games. Of course, they couldn't help but bring up Columbine.
What I wasn't expecting was ABC News playing a decent enough portion of Manson's "The Nobodies" video (his audial/visual response to what happened then). About ten seconds of the song itself, and another 20 or so of the video while the reporter talked over it. Cool ... |
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