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| Posted on 2006-09-04 20:16:02 |
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| daniel_o |
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Why did you have to go and get yourself killed? I'm going to miss your antics you crazy aussie! But most of all I'll miss the undeterrable passion and the infectious enthusiasm for wildlife and conservation that made your programs so fun to watch... and so giving. You did what you had to do and if there is such a thing as a fitting end, this was it I guess. I just wish you could have had more time because your contribution to the popularization of conservation and biology was invaluable.
Cheers mate! And thanks.
Media: Reuters, Sydney Morning Herald, BBC, Google News. |
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| Posted on 2006-09-04 21:06:36 |
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It's a little ironic how he spent his life working with some of the most dangerous animals in the world yet he met his match with something no one would really think that dangerous at all. |
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| Posted on 2006-09-04 21:27:35 |
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| CharlieCharlie |
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Well, Iīm sorry for his family, but itīs his own fault I think. I mean, his show was so stupid. They raged animals in order to shock the audience. They showed poison-stings and death-teeth, just to scare people, to make it more spectacular. It had something of a porn, honestly. Itīs the animalsī revenge!
Regarding his family, I think his job was irresponsible. |
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| Posted on 2006-09-04 22:21:22 |
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| daniel_o |
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^Hey!
As an undergrad biologist I can say the following with some conviction.
What Steve did was in no way stressful to the animals, or at least not harmfully stressful and it's in no way different than what other scientists do when they tag animals or collect samples from them. Only that his thing was awareness and popularisation of conservation and biology which is in no way inferior. The thought that he "chased" and "wrestled" the "poor little animals" just to show them up, I just cannot understand. For two reasons: 1) It's not so "just"... it was really important and it had a HUGE effect on how conservation biology is done nowadays. It also raised a lot of awareness in "common" people about conservation biology which has had an ENORMOUS upswing since the middle of the 90s. It may seem risky... but then again so is handling a circular saw if you're not a professional. And he was one of the best. He handled venomous snakes and never got bitten, he relocated crocs and never lost a finger. It's a bit ironic that his demise would be an animal that is considered relatively docile. 2) To say that he was "cornering" and "stressing" the animal is a very anthropocentric argument - basicly projecting human emotions on animals. Whis is quite dumb actually.
I also don't when people just imply that he just carelessly went out and wrestled animals for fun. He was a professional dammit! He knew what he was doing and he did it responsibly. His job was no more dangerous than being a construction worker... he had the education and the experience and there really is no other way to do the kind of work he did. So I really don't understand those that deem him irresponsible for just "going out and wrestling lethal animals". This was a freak accident, you can prepare for them but you cannot prevent them. A lethal stingray attack is EXTREMELY rare. Why does everyone assume he was doing what he did haphazardly? There are TONS of research groups that do the exact same thing he did, only they're not on TV.
And by the way... the only times he wrestled crocs, which is what he's known for, was to relocate them. I do think he enjoyed it but I doubt he did it just for fun. There are a lot of people who do this kind of work in Florida and Australia and other parts of the world. Only they're not on TV.
And also: Why does everyone describe what he did as "wrestling lethal animals"? He was a conservational biologist first... the majority of the job he did was inside his Australia Zoo and had nothing to do with going out and jamming his thumb up croc's butts. That's just what we saw on the show... because he knew how to use that part of his job and his charisma to create a buzz and help his cause. I have read many of the publications produced by Australia Zoo under his supervision and they are incredible work.
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What? Aren't snakes and scorpions and such spectacular enough without Steve Irwin? I certainly think they are. And besides, would you have known anything about venomous animals if it weren't for big educational programs like his? What do you mean "just to scare people". People in Australia and many other places of the world have these animals as neighbours. It's a reality which everyone needs to be educated about. I just don't understand your argument. |
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| Posted on 2006-09-04 23:33:13 |
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| Sonja. |
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well, not everybody is as smart as you daniel.
from my uneducated point of view i sort of have to agree with charliecharlie. not that i watched the show very often, but when i did so i just thought 'this guy has to die sooner or later, he's f... nuts'. then again i was mostly hangovered when i watched it, so i might not be able to judge on it.
and when i heard the news about it today, i found it rather funny in a way. not that it makes me any happy that he died, more like 'there you go, steve!'
anyway, i feel very sorry for the family he leaves behind. |
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| Posted on 2006-09-04 23:36:36 |
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the only times he wrestled crocs, which is what he's known for, was to relocate them. I do think he enjoyed it but I doubt he did it just for fun. |
??? I never complained about him wrestling with crocs, nor have I ever seen it, though if i had seen it i really would think this is dumb.
You canīt deny that his TV-Show (maybe not his work as an biologist, you might be right) is stupid. When I see the opener, where a snake attacks the camera with his huge jaw, I gain the impression of a stupid animal-abusing show, yes!
I think the show used the danger of animals and peoples fears in order to thrill the audience. And the seemingly enlightenment the show tried to be based on was just a stupid pretence to make some kind of a freaky-horror show. (I know I am polemical)
Well, this goes for his Show, I cant judge over his biological work.
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but then again so is handling a circular saw if you're not a professional. And he was one of the best. He handled venomous snakes and never got bitten, he relocated crocs and never lost a finger. |
So why did he do some stupid thigs, such as holding his one month old baby, while feeding a crocodile. So he wanted to prove that these animals arenīt dangerous? So now all of us, letīs go with our babies to some croco-bay!
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What? Aren't snakes and scorpions and such spectacular enough without Steve Irwin? I certainly think they are. And besides, would you have known anything about venomous animals if it weren't for big educational programs like his? |
A big educational program? oh come one, then go and show your little cousin "Judge Judy" to educate him in laws.
And of course I do know about venoms through TV AND books. But I remember some programmes, where cameras simply witnessed their objects instead of presenting or using them.
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What do you mean "just to scare people". People in Australia and many other places of the world have these animals as neighbours. It's a reality which everyone needs to be educated about. I just don't understand your argument. |
Everytime when I followed the show (yes, it was not very often), I saw scared people, big jaws, stings and all this stuff (sorry, if Iīm respectless). To me it had the effect, that i was deceptive entertainment, hiding behind an educational program. There should be more ways to educate people with animals than watching a cable-network show.
I know, lots of civilizations arenīt able to gain academic education, so itīs a rather good thing that Irwin went directly into these tribes and showed some animals.
Through the telly it looks as if he went straight into the wild areas, showed with cool effects some animals, and then he let them free? Whereīs the sense?
The sad thing is, dear Daniel, that I can defend myself again and again, I canīt convince you, youīre just way too high above me! |
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| Posted on 2006-09-05 00:30:39 |
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Poor guy. When I first heard about this on TV, I thought a cocodrile ate him or something, I guess this is the revenge of the animals. |
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| Posted on 2006-09-05 05:05:44 |
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| Bac |
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Yeah, I read about this last night (about 1 AM) and posted a bulletin on MySpace.
Pretty sad. His wacky personality kinda drove me nuts at times, but still he was entertaining. I used to watch his show on Animal Planet. RIP, Steve. He will be missed. |
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| Posted on 2006-09-05 07:22:06 |
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| LORDHUMONGOUS |
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It's unfortunate. I feel bad for his kids. You know what they say when you play with fire. |
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| Posted on 2006-09-05 08:08:18 |
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[quote=ooklathemok]It's unfortunate. I feel bad for his kids. You know what they say when you play with fire
You play with fire, you get stabbed in the heart with a stingray?
I find that highly unfair
I may never light my fire again |
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| Posted on 2006-09-05 09:19:29 |
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I don't think he was silly at all. He was a conservationist and a pretty good one at that. Anyway, he must be a really great man if he's being remembered so well already. |
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| Posted on 2006-09-05 17:02:11 |
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Anyway he is dead now and in Ukraine say: If you are talking about somebody who is dead-say something good about him/her or don't say anything. Steve was a nice guy and nobody worth such death!!! |
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| Posted on 2006-09-05 23:42:37 |
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| laaran |
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In my world, we say : who cares for the dead ? Care for those who survive, if you care, care for his family. |
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| Posted on 2006-09-06 00:52:05 |
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who's this guy anyway? am i the only person in the whole world who never heard of him? |
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| Posted on 2006-09-06 03:22:30 |
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| Bac |
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| who's this guy anyway? am i the only person in the whole world who never heard of him? |
Steve Irwin wrestled crocodiles and has wildlife shows and basically he likes to get dangerously close to his subjects. He even has a movie.
And yes, you're the only one. You freak. 
hehe -- guess he wasn't well known by everyone.
But hardly anyone responded to my Syd Barrett post. And seeing as we're all music fans here, I was surprised that few seemed all that interested in poor Syd's death. Especially since most people into rock'n'roll are familiar with Pink Floyd.
So... I guess I'm not surprised you've never heard of him. |
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| Posted on 2006-09-06 06:24:32 |
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Its a bad new..
But we know he work in a very dangerous work... u_u
so.. rest in peace |
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| Posted on 2006-09-10 12:45:48 |
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i loved his accent - "Crickey!" |
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| Posted on 2006-09-11 18:12:36 |
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And yes, you're the only one. You freak.
hehe -- guess he wasn't well known by everyone.
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i dont watch tv. guess that makes me very freaky ;-) |
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| Posted on 2006-09-11 18:59:17 |
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the harder they come the harder they fall
what people can do for celibrity, victim of his ego, of his narcisism..
everybody was knowing how it will have to finish..
do animals were just a pretexte, i think so, there many other way to present these kind of animals.. i've seen one or two of his show and well i've feel that he was more a bear'shower(showing) than anything else..
but people need that kind of spectacle.. some emotion, feel the fear, then to know more about the biodiversity. it may a way, but teach in the same time how these animals are dangerous, saying in the same time, if they died, if some kill them, the world could be safest..
sharks are killed by millions / for less than 10 attacks everyyears on mens.. "jaws" victims of the film "jaws" ??
and it's just a little exemple..
did he have shoed them as the precious iving they are, how adapted they are whatever they're dangerous?? no just spectacle, a freaks'shower..
and well, he got the darwin'prize for this year.. it's a big prize, really honorific, for the most stupid death of the year.. (just shot by a fish that we know there is only three case of human attack, lol) |
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